Can we write in Ron Paul?

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Vote for Newt Gingrich and he promises to give us the moon!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html

Stupid question but... if we don't vote, and the null fiolks vote who they want in, don't we just lose?

No message, we just suffer for stupidity and lack of organization.

There is a HUGE problem with boycotts, or, more specifically, those that think that any boycott can ever actually achieve what they want it to.

The very fact that one thinks that they need a forum post to attempt to garner more who think thusly is evidence that a boycott can never work.

I don't care where you are from, but a simple study of general political science will tell you that calls for a boycott only work against your own self interests.

The ONLY to effect change is to participate.

How can we get better represented in the CSM?

I know guys! Lets not vote!

so maintain the status quo...good idea OP

I suspect you'll need something a bit more aggressive than sitting and doing nothing during the voting process to "force" change. I think that's what people are trying to tell you.

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I do disagree with how you want to do it. This helps the 0.0 bears more than it helps us. Not voting is effectively the same as voting for a 0.0 player, as 0.0 corps WILL vote for their own. So if we don't vote, we just make sure there is no competition for them.

And what you do not seem to fathom is that for your plan to work it would need ALL active players to make that statement.

Of course, this will not happen, so your notion as to how to effect change is null on its face.

everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM

CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground.

had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space.

QFT.

I totally agree that I will not be voting for any candidate or supporting any campign whose sole purpose will be about CSM problematic members regardless of how much I agree with it to be an issue.

I will simply be looking at what the person stands for and wether or not their manifesto represents my interests. As I want to see a person capable of not being embroiled in the petty metawin politics, but someone who has a purposeful intention of making the EvE game and it's community a much better experience and wishes to focus their energies into such.

Had this been the attitude of some of the existing CSM I doubt the community would be so dissaffected with the voting process and what the CSM does. Which is a shame given CCPs intentions in the first place. But then I suppose, certain elements of this gaming community will seek to try and control you and your interests for purely their own selfish motivations who are ruining the EvE experience and thinking its "Kewl" in the process.

On a lighter more philisophical note, couple of quotations:

"Some men just want to see the world burn" - Alfred, Dark Knight

"If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don-¦t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we-¦re at fault, aren-¦t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama

Because doing nothing, and then complaining about the resulting ****-sandwich is always better than doing something, amirite?

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hey guys, lets boycott the vote to make our voice heard!

Interesting that you would see the DL quote as neccesarily targeted at yourself.

and his complete view on the matter is:

"Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent." - DL

Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot.

Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!!

Democracy is exactly what you seem to dislike. If you don't vote you have no voice, get that 66% of hisec bears to vote for someone that supports their aims, whatever they are.

Or shut up. I lived in empire when I voted last year, I voted for low sec improvements. I hope we get them in time but just saying " we don't care" is not going to help. CCP need input and feedback.

What *specifically* is your issue with them OP?

Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy.

What's flawed about it?

So there's nothing flawed about the system, then?

You just keep saying that it is, but you never explain how.

The ultimate vote is customers and their money. CCP would be wise to examine where the majority their customer base resides, high sec, low sec, null, are they in alliances or not?

If the CSM does not represent the true power base of Eve, that being the paying customer, then CCP will likely give the CSM the lesser weight it deserves, and if they do not, the customers will vote with their money.

An effective boycott withholds something desired by the other party. Your proposal fails to do this.

I recommend a protest vote for None ofthe Above!

Wouldn't I have to run in order for you to vote for me?

The purpose of CSM is to represent the players of eve in the continued development of the game.

As it works now it just gets one type of player/ego that even involves themselves as the rest of the community have other things in thier lives to deal with.

So as it sits it only represents a small faction of the player base and is fail.


Other option:

Have all people interested in being part of the CSM apply for it.
Have a lottery for those interested.
Make sure the those who get offered the positions understand the job requirements.
Problem solved? Nope
This will make those who are most vested in the game angry that someone who has been around six months and may not be around six months later will be too involved.


Half ass solution: 2/3's the populace using lottery system and 1/3 voted in. Still not perfect but these treads can offically **** off after that.

Not many players even use the forums. So it would still not be representative of the current player base.

You'd also end up with a lot of pandering.

I see no reason to believe such a statement.

I think that it's purely based on your peronsal situation.

What's undemocratic about it, and why are you so hung up on majorities (something that's not even relevant to democratic processes of this kind)?

So you still can't think of anything that's actually wrong about the CSM or the process, then.

Ok. Good to know.

Your Gǣno, I can'tGǥ isn't particularly subtle, you knowGǪ

The thread isn't subtle ether GÇö that's where the GÇ£no I can'tGÇ¥ comes from, after all.
How few will depend on how soon you provide an answer to the question.
It's never too late, although after 6GÇô7 pages, one would have thought you would have, at some point, actually presented a case rather than baseless assertions.

The fact remains: you can't think of anything that's wrong with the CSM or the process, or if you can think it, you can't put it into words. If you could, you would have by now.

So only forum whores care about the game? What a completely dumb ******* statement.

Bottom line is the CSM and all things related to it, including the entire election process, needs to be more in game. Not out of game, like the forums.

There has always been the abstain button available to express your disdain for the CSM. It never got more votes than the rest of the votes combined, so I can conclude that the amount of people that want about the CSM disbanded aren't all that many.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

We agree that your answer is no: you can't think of anything that's wrong with the CSM or the process.

So why are you lying in the OP?

You running for CSM?

Not really, no. You've just been exposed, as all trolls are.

The problem is that, for every troll, there are 10 idiots who think the same thing unironically, so it's pointless not to treat trolls like idiots as well because then you get two birds with one proverbial stone.

Umm, that's pretty much what most of the player base did last year and as far as I can tell it didn't matter one wit.